Reconnecting With A Returning Loved One

Updated: Oct 20

Full transcript from interview with Rosanne Clausen. (July 29, 2021)

Marcus: What's up, yeah. It's your boy, Marcus Bullock, the CEO, founder of Flik-

shop. I'm here for another episode of Marcus asks. I'm super excited about

this episode today, because now we get the chance to hear directly from

someone who had a loved one who was in prison. And now they're home.

And so, I'm super excited to join Rosanne. She's one of the founding

members of the strong prison wives and families, Facebook, and Instagram

groups. Her community that she has built is incredible. So, she's goanna be

joining us in any second. So, I'm excited about it. I see she's goanna jump

in now. So, I'm goanna let her in. I'm super excited to compensate me by

my air pods to make sure you're behaving well. Hi, there she is.

Rosanne: Hi, Marcus

Marcus: How are you? Let me just make sure you guys can see me.

Rosanne: I'm great. Do you see me? Okay, I'm great. I'm great. How are you?

Marcus: You're perfect. I can see you. Well, I can't hear you. Well, you're good to

go. This is goanna be awesome. I'm so pumped to have you join us. Thank

you so much for joining me for

Rosanne: Of course, I'm so happy to be here, connected to you again and see

everybody hopping on. This is so exciting.

Marcus: This is goanna be so much fun. One of the things I think that I enjoy the

most about this journey is connecting with people who I never would have

had the opportunity to be able to connect with and you are one of them.

Look, we're goanna jump straight in. I want to go straight into the

conversation, right? Because you know, everybody here they really here

for you. And they are really here to hear. Everybody here to hear you and

I'm so pumped about that. But before I jump in, I want to take a quick

second because I don't do intros. How would you introduce yourself?

Rosanne: I would say, well, I am Rosanne Clausen. I am the founder of the nonprofit

strong prison wives and families. My husband was formerly incarcerated

to 213 years. He was incarcerated under stacked mandatory minimum

sentencing was. How long do I have for this intro.? I could go on for days.

But he was awarded compassionate release. Just about a year ago on

August 12, 2020. We moved out to Las Vegas. I'm sure we will get into all

of that throughout this conversation. But in a nutshell, we were awarded

that, move to Vegas, had a baby two weeks ago. It's just been amazing.

Marcus: Oh, my goodness. I'm so excited to talk about all of this stuff here. First of

all, say congratulations again.

Rosanne: Thank you!

Marcus: On the new. I felt now you're like very newly, like this just happened.

Rosanne: This just happened. Yes. If you could see with the bags under my eyes.

We're getting up at night, but it's. Oh, perfect. I love that. good lighting.

Thank you so much. It's like I keep telling everyone it is the best most

beautiful whirlwind I've ever experienced in my life. You know you have


Marcus: I love it. Thank you so much for all your always your transparency here. I'm

goanna be actually so let's I want to jump in. So, Adam is your husband,

Adam is amazing. I met Adam, you know, for the first time of a couple of

months ago. And since our very first conversation, I'm like, oh man, like

Adam, you're the homie now. So, I'm excited about our meeting Adam and

knowing you personally, but I've been following probably not you

specifically, but one of your groups for quite some time. The strong prison

wives and families. Tell me why did you start that? Why? Why did why did

you start that? That group?

Rosanne: Yeah. So, when I got back in touch with Adam, he was already incarcerated

for nine years. And like I said he was a lifer. And it was (Inaudible/03:40)

three other prison wives and family members couldn't understand why I

was doing what I was doing. Not only why I was getting back in touch and

involved in this relationship with somebody (Inaudible/03:56) ever. Am I

freezing? Am I okay?

Marcus: No, no, you're good. You're good.

Rosanne: Okay. Okay, good. So, everywhere I turned, nobody understood. I started

getting anxiety about it. I didn't want to talk about my relationship

anymore. And it was like this awkward period, plus all these questions I

was trying to go to visit, I didn't know what I could wear. I didn't know what

I can mail to him. I didn't know if I could bring anything, so many things

that were up in the air. So, I figured if I don't have support, either by

people, or people who were involved in this life, I'm goanna go find it. And

I started to search online and at the time, this was what I think around

when you started 2008, 2009. I found nothing and the few things that were

out there at the time. I felt live to a stigma that a lot of people think about

prison wives and girlfriends and family members. That was kind of off and,

you know, people felt like it seemed like at the time, people were just

glorifying the criminal lifestyle. And they couldn't wait to get their loved

one home. So, he could hit the street again, or she could hit the street

again. And they could be Bonnie and Clyde and ride or die and all of those

other cliches. And I thought, man, but we can do so much better than this.

And if it's not out there, I'm going to create it because we need support,

we need people who understand us. And so, I started a blog at that point,

actually, started my YouTube channel. And I connected with this woman

who had a blog that was called at the time strong prison wives? And we

started it a Facebook page, and we started all of our social media, and it

was growing ridiculously, like at the time, that wasn't like the tip top

generation now where you go viral in five minutes, and you have a million

subscribers. But at that time, it was 500, 1000 members a day, which was


Marcus: Massive, like

Rosanne: Massive back then. Yeah. And so, we just kept going, and I incorporated as

a nonprofit, and it's just kind of the rest is history. But it just speaks to how

much support is needed for loved ones of the incarcerated.

Marcus: Yeah, I mean, this is amazing. One of the things that, you know, one of the

things I noticed when I first heard about you all, was the community that

you get that you guys were continuing to build. When we first launched

Flikshop. We launched Flikshop; we went live in app stores around

2012.And you guys are like literally our first customers. Right? And that was

I mean, think about how long ago that was. And you're right like it not only

were there not a bunch of groups like this or a conversation that are being

had. But the reality of it is that the conversation around criminal justice

reform or the conversations around preparing people for reentry, none of

those were happening yet.

Rosanne: Yep.

Marcus: Like that was like back in the day before anyone was jumping on that kind

of storyline. And so, you were like, very innovative during that journey.

Don't have time when people weren't like talking about this kind of thing.

And like supporting, especially women who are like saying, I'm going to

stand up and be and be heard and be felt and build this community around

me to say like, it's okay to love someone that's still incarcerated. And not

only so it's okay to love them. But I'm going to love on them hard. And I'm

going to show them that I'm there for them the entire journey. Like that

was completely new and innovative back then. I mean, it had had been

scary for you at that time. And I'm wondering, like, what were other people

saying, were they saying like, why are you supporting this guy? He's in

prison and blah, blah. I mean, I can only imagine what you were hearing at

that time.

Rosanne: Yeah, like, at best people were nice to my face and whispered behind my

back. Worst people. But worse than that, people would just say the most

cruel things. And I'm like, why would you say this to me? You wouldn't say

that to somebody else. But I guess because he was in prison. In their head,

it was validation to say the nastiest thing. Like, it was one thing to say mean

things about me where you're desperate, you're dateless, you're goanna

wind up an old miserable hag. You deserve to be like, the worst I've ever

heard was. He deserves every year, those 213 years, and he deserves to

die in there. And you deserve to die too. Because you support him.

Marcus: Oh, my goodness.

Rosanne: Yeah. Like, who are you? And why would you judge my life. And a lot of

times, it was just the people.

Marcus: These people knew you or didn't know you?

Rosanne: Both, but I think that the hardest part was the people that did know me,

people that don't know me, you can write it off, you're just a jerk. But

people that did know me, I had to start telling myself and this is huge

lesson that I've always coached other prison wives and family members

through when it's your family or people t