Updated: Oct 20
Full transcript from interview with Rosanne Clausen. (July 29, 2021)
Marcus: What's up, yeah. It's your boy, Marcus Bullock, the CEO, founder of Flik-
shop. I'm here for another episode of Marcus asks. I'm super excited about
this episode today, because now we get the chance to hear directly from
someone who had a loved one who was in prison. And now they're home.
And so, I'm super excited to join Rosanne. She's one of the founding
members of the strong prison wives and families, Facebook, and Instagram
groups. Her community that she has built is incredible. So, she's goanna be
joining us in any second. So, I'm excited about it. I see she's goanna jump
in now. So, I'm goanna let her in. I'm super excited to compensate me by
my air pods to make sure you're behaving well. Hi, there she is.
Rosanne: Hi, Marcus
Marcus: How are you? Let me just make sure you guys can see me.
Rosanne: I'm great. Do you see me? Okay, I'm great. I'm great. How are you?
Marcus: You're perfect. I can see you. Well, I can't hear you. Well, you're good to
go. This is goanna be awesome. I'm so pumped to have you join us. Thank
you so much for joining me for
Rosanne: Of course, I'm so happy to be here, connected to you again and see
everybody hopping on. This is so exciting.
Marcus: This is goanna be so much fun. One of the things I think that I enjoy the
most about this journey is connecting with people who I never would have
had the opportunity to be able to connect with and you are one of them.
Look, we're goanna jump straight in. I want to go straight into the
conversation, right? Because you know, everybody here they really here
for you. And they are really here to hear. Everybody here to hear you and
I'm so pumped about that. But before I jump in, I want to take a quick
second because I don't do intros. How would you introduce yourself?
Rosanne: I would say, well, I am Rosanne Clausen. I am the founder of the nonprofit
strong prison wives and families. My husband was formerly incarcerated
to 213 years. He was incarcerated under stacked mandatory minimum
sentencing was. How long do I have for this intro.? I could go on for days.
But he was awarded compassionate release. Just about a year ago on
August 12, 2020. We moved out to Las Vegas. I'm sure we will get into all
of that throughout this conversation. But in a nutshell, we were awarded
that, move to Vegas, had a baby two weeks ago. It's just been amazing.
Marcus: Oh, my goodness. I'm so excited to talk about all of this stuff here. First of
all, say congratulations again.
Rosanne: Thank you!
Marcus: On the new. I felt now you're like very newly, like this just happened.
Rosanne: This just happened. Yes. If you could see with the bags under my eyes.
We're getting up at night, but it's. Oh, perfect. I love that. good lighting.
Thank you so much. It's like I keep telling everyone it is the best most
beautiful whirlwind I've ever experienced in my life. You know you have
Marcus: I love it. Thank you so much for all your always your transparency here. I'm
goanna be actually so let's I want to jump in. So, Adam is your husband,
Adam is amazing. I met Adam, you know, for the first time of a couple of
months ago. And since our very first conversation, I'm like, oh man, like
Adam, you're the homie now. So, I'm excited about our meeting Adam and
knowing you personally, but I've been following probably not you
specifically, but one of your groups for quite some time. The strong prison
wives and families. Tell me why did you start that? Why? Why did why did
you start that? That group?
Rosanne: Yeah. So, when I got back in touch with Adam, he was already incarcerated
for nine years. And like I said he was a lifer. And it was (Inaudible/03:40)
three other prison wives and family members couldn't understand why I
was doing what I was doing. Not only why I was getting back in touch and
involved in this relationship with somebody (Inaudible/03:56) ever. Am I
freezing? Am I okay?
Marcus: No, no, you're good. You're good.
Rosanne: Okay. Okay, good. So, everywhere I turned, nobody understood. I started
getting anxiety about it. I didn't want to talk about my relationship
anymore. And it was like this awkward period, plus all these questions I
was trying to go to visit, I didn't know what I could wear. I didn't know what
I can mail to him. I didn't know if I could bring anything, so many things
that were up in the air. So, I figured if I don't have support, either by
people, or people who were involved in this life, I'm goanna go find it. And
I started to search online and at the time, this was what I think around
when you started 2008, 2009. I found nothing and the few things that were
out there at the time. I felt live to a stigma that a lot of people think about
prison wives and girlfriends and family members. That was kind of off and,
you know, people felt like it seemed like at the time, people were just
glorifying the criminal lifestyle. And they couldn't wait to get their loved
one home. So, he could hit the street again, or she could hit the street
again. And they could be Bonnie and Clyde and ride or die and all of those
other cliches. And I thought, man, but we can do so much better than this.
And if it's not out there, I'm going to create it because we need support,
we need people who understand us. And so, I started a blog at that point,
actually, started my YouTube channel. And I connected with this woman
who had a blog that was called at the time strong prison wives? And we
started it a Facebook page, and we started all of our social media, and it
was growing ridiculously, like at the time, that wasn't like the tip top
generation now where you go viral in five minutes, and you have a million
subscribers. But at that time, it was 500, 1000 members a day, which was
Marcus: Massive, like
Rosanne: Massive back then. Yeah. And so, we just kept going, and I incorporated as
a nonprofit, and it's just kind of the rest is history. But it just speaks to how
much support is needed for loved ones of the incarcerated.
Marcus: Yeah, I mean, this is amazing. One of the things that, you know, one of the
things I noticed when I first heard about you all, was the community that
you get that you guys were continuing to build. When we first launched
Flikshop. We launched Flikshop; we went live in app stores around
2012.And you guys are like literally our first customers. Right? And that was
I mean, think about how long ago that was. And you're right like it not only
were there not a bunch of groups like this or a conversation that are being
had. But the reality of it is that the conversation around criminal justice
reform or the conversations around preparing people for reentry, none of
those were happening yet.
Marcus: Like that was like back in the day before anyone was jumping on that kind
of storyline. And so, you were like, very innovative during that journey.
Don't have time when people weren't like talking about this kind of thing.
And like supporting, especially women who are like saying, I'm going to
stand up and be and be heard and be felt and build this community around
me to say like, it's okay to love someone that's still incarcerated. And not
only so it's okay to love them. But I'm going to love on them hard. And I'm
going to show them that I'm there for them the entire journey. Like that
was completely new and innovative back then. I mean, it had had been
scary for you at that time. And I'm wondering, like, what were other people
saying, were they saying like, why are you supporting this guy? He's in
prison and blah, blah. I mean, I can only imagine what you were hearing at
Rosanne: Yeah, like, at best people were nice to my face and whispered behind my
back. Worst people. But worse than that, people would just say the most
cruel things. And I'm like, why would you say this to me? You wouldn't say
that to somebody else. But I guess because he was in prison. In their head,
it was validation to say the nastiest thing. Like, it was one thing to say mean
things about me where you're desperate, you're dateless, you're goanna
wind up an old miserable hag. You deserve to be like, the worst I've ever
heard was. He deserves every year, those 213 years, and he deserves to
die in there. And you deserve to die too. Because you support him.
Marcus: Oh, my goodness.
Rosanne: Yeah. Like, who are you? And why would you judge my life. And a lot of
times, it was just the people.
Marcus: These people knew you or didn't know you?
Rosanne: Both, but I think that the hardest part was the people that did know me,
people that don't know me, you can write it off, you're just a jerk. But
people that did know me, I had to start telling myself and this is huge
lesson that I've always coached other prison wives and family members
through when it's your family or people t